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Kansas Abortion Doc Killed in Church
Hypatia
Why do I have the feeling that having done this dirty deed to the Dr. while he (and his wife) were in church not only gave the murder/s more persona satisfaction, but quite possibly made them feel as if they put a particularly chilling "We told you so - and we mean what we say" touch to it?

http://news.yahoo...r_shooting

Note the presence of WBC - they're still kicking, glory be.

I tried to access the websites for Operation Rescue and Operation Rescue Tiller Watch, but I don't know if the sites are overloaded or have been taken down, but I kept getting error messages.

I'm curious whether their faith based - my guess is yes.

Ah, they are. Found this at Wiki, and they're now called Operation Save America (awwwww... ).http://en.wikiped...ve_America

They go back to Roe v Wade... ohhhhh... Shock
 
RayvenAlandria
My thought when I read that he was killed in his church was that the killer would claim the church was not *really Christian* because they allowed the doctor to be a member, and therefor he did not commit blasphemy by killing the doctor in that building.
 
Hypatia
That could well be - along the WBC line of thinking.

In any event, I fear we're (again) looking at militant christianity - judge, jury and executioner - alive and in action in America.



 
RayvenAlandria
Maybe this will make Obama realize there will be no middle ground in the abortion issue when dealing with the anti-abortion fanatics. They are not going to compromise.
 
RayvenAlandria


http://www.kansas...34448.html

This article has a little more info about the killer.
 
Doubting Thomas
I was really saddened to hear of the murder of Dr. Tiller. He beat the political witch hunt started by ex-atty general Phil Kline, a bible banger who used his office solely to go after Tiller, only to be gunned down by a right-wing religious nutjob.

I have heard some celebratory attitude around today among the Catholics in town. It's sickening to think that murdering someone in cold blood is OK with them as long as it's someone they disagree with. Facism at it's purest.

If anything, this will further the stereotype of all anti-abortionists as religious wackos who think nothing of gunning someone down. My mother-in-law said that she hoped it wasn't some pro-lifer (it was, of course) and had some idea that maybe it was the husband of some woman whom Tiller gave an abortion to. Fat chance, because Occam's Razor makes you conclude who the likely suspect would be, another anti-abortion wacko Christian.

My wife said that when her mother told her about it, she seemed pretty smug until my wife flatly told her that it's wrong to gun someone down in a church they were attending. Of course, my MIL has referred to him as "Tiller the killer" in the past.
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
Bob of QF
Damn! I posted a link to this story on Sunday... apparently submitting news articles is the same as sending them into a black hole....


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Hypatia
Huh? [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/297.gif[/img] is not a valid Image. Do you mean your post has disappeared, or that I've missed it somewhere?

The latter is more possible than the former, lol.

 
RayvenAlandria
I found it and approved it. Sorry Bob. We need a flashing text to make me notice when things are submitted.
 
Doubting Thomas
I guess my MIL got the name "Tiller the killer" from Bill O'Rielly on Fox News (no big surprise since she watches it all day long). O'Rielly called him "Tiller the baby killer" on his show, which is inflammatory rhetoric at its worst. There can be nothing worse than being called a baby killer in anyone's eyes.

Some speculate that O'Rielly called for Tiller's death, but I think they are just trying to dig up any quotes they can to try to link O'Rielly to the murder:

http://www.nytime....html?_r=1

Now if he had recently said, "I think someone should go down there and shoot him" then you'd have more of a case. That's not to say that O'Rielly probably wasn't glad to hear of the murder.
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
catman
I hate that whole nasty business. I'm not too crazy about late-term abortions in general, since in most cases there is no reason not to have it earlier, but I understand that the doctor only performed them to save the life of the mother or if the fetus has gross genetic abnormalities. In any case, I feel that it's up to the mother whether to abort or not (hopefully with the father in agreement).
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
derF
Abortion is a nasty business. But each and every one is unique and must be considered on an individual basis. To pass legislature banning it completely displays a distinct lack of consideration to the parties involved. To expect someone to forgo a medical therapy that will save their life in order to comply with your own personal beliefs puts you in league with the same people you are condemning. Bearing a terribly deformed fetus to term is subjecting fetus and parents to a lifetime of suffering, expense and worse. I don't like abortion when it is just some shapely, mindless bimbo who is trying to rid herself of a perceived hardship just because she partied a little too hardy one evening and decided to risk mating with her evenings escort without use of any contraceptives. Abortion is a serious consideration with serious consequences and must be judged on an individual basis. And, even in the case of the shapely bimbo, the woman's opinion must be a weighted one.


Damn. Can't remember whether editing is mandatory or not anymore!
Edited by derF on 06/03/2009 02:02
I'll drink to that. Or anything else for that matter.
 
Doubting Thomas
I agree. I wish that nobody ever had to get an abortion, but there are a lot of situations in which the mother's life is in danger. And I do also agree that the only reason to perform late-term abortions is because of medical reasons. There is plenty of time to decide beforehand whether or not to keep the baby.

That being said, I think we all agree that it's wrong to go around shooting people you disagree with. And I think it's fairly obvious that the only people shooting abortion doctors or bombing abortion clinics are the fine, upstanding Christians.

It was interesting to see how quickly all the anti-abortion groups condemned the murder, yet any other time they were spouting rhetoric about Tiller being a baby killer and calling abortion a "holocaust," insinuating that he and all other abortion providers are pure evil and should be done away with. And while anti-abortion organizations condemned the killing, there have been a lot of their members who were quite happy with it. I think their condemnation rings hollow.
You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me and not you.
 
catman
derF wrote: I don't like abortion when it is just some shapely, mindless bimbo who is trying to rid herself of a perceived hardship just because she partied a little too hardy one evening and decided to risk mating with her evenings escort without use of any contraceptives.

I don't like it either, but in the case you mentioned, abortion might well be the best thing that could happen. She'd be a great mother, wouldn't she? What the world needs is more unwanted children. All I ask is that it be done very early.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Sinny
So christians like this nutball think it's a sin and murder to have an abortion but it's not a sin or murder to murder, maim for life the adults who perform, work or are associated in any way with abortion clinics, WTF seriously.

These nutballs only do this because the preachers tell them abortion is murder and a sin. Being miserable, bored, frustrated and ignorant of their own bible babble makes them easy drones for the preachers to get them all riled up into a nutball frenzie. These people have nothing else better to do and obviously feel insignificant in the world they live in so they look for a cause and the preachers give them abortion. the preachers/priests want everyone's mind off the child molestation cases so they keep digging in about abortion and add stem cell research to the shit stir fire they start up.

Talk about cherry picking and salad bar religious beliefs. What happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"; " rip out the bellies of pregnant women" These people are clueless to their own bible because they don't actually read it themselves....nooo they simply only look up the one little part the preacher/priest tells them to read to carry out the leaders agenda and keep the sheeple fucktard zombies in their control. I bet they are high on the power of control.
 
catman
Well said, sinny. They get to feel all self-righteous and speak for God, which has to be the biggest power trip of all, being the Deity's mouthpiece on Earth. To tell them they are wrong is tantamount to telling the Deity that It is worng (I refuse to use gender distinctions here. Talk about creating a God in the image of Man!).
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Hypatia
In addition to providing a medical service to women that very few doctors in the country do, it seems Dr. Tiller was a very well liked person as well.

My stomach hasn't stopped churning over this situation yet, and in a sense I doubt it ever will.

That supporters of someone who has been murdered for providing a medical service they believe should be safely made available would 'need' to be outside his funeral service, right along with the despicable, hateful protesters who most likely believe he got what he deserved, saddens and disgusts me.

Don't get me wrong - as long as one single pro-lifer who would wish a Dr. dead who provides abortions is present at such a funeral, and especially as long as a single member of the WBC is present, I'm glad his supporters were out there, singing in return, etc.,

But for a person's funeral to have to be turned into a political circus - supporters having to dress to address the opposition - is so heart breaking.

http://news.yahoo...n_shooting

Slain abortion doctor eulogized as generous

By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer Roxana Hegeman, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 38 mins ago



WICHITA, Kan. Hundreds of people gathered Saturday to honor slain abortion provider Dr. George Tiller, and a longtime friend eulogized him as a passionate and generous man who repeatedly overcame difficult challenges.

Tiller's funeral at College Hill United Methodist Church also drew small groups of protesters.

During the service, Tiller was remembered for his generosity and sense of humor.

"Dear God, get heaven ready, because Mr. Enthusiasm is coming," said Larry Borcherding, of Overland Park, who first met Tiller a half-century ago when both were students at the University of Kansas. "Heaven will never be the same. It will be a better, better place with George in it."

About 700 people filled the church sanctuary and some 200 others watched a closed-circuit television broadcast in another room.

A large portrait of Tiller hung at the front of the sanctuary, and nearby was a wreath of flowers with the words "TRUST WOMEN." Some mourners wore buttons that said "Attitude is Everything."

Tiller's clinic in Wichita was among a few in the U.S. performing third-trimester abortions, and that made it a target of regular protests. Most were peaceful, but his clinic was bombed in 1986, and he was shot in both arms in 1993.

Borcherding recalled that immediately after that 1993 shooting, Tiller kept in close contact with him because Borcherding had lost his job.

"Who had a more boisterous, heartfelt laugh than George Tiller?" Borcherding said. "There are so many stories. I have many, many, many. Let's be sure to share them later."

Last Sunday, Tiller was killed by a gunshot in his own church, Reformation Lutheran, while serving as an usher for its service. His family had the funeral at the Methodist church to accommodate the large number of mourners.

Scott Roeder, a 51-year-old abortion opponent, was arrested a few hours after the shooting just outside Kansas City. He was charged two days later with the attack at the church, where he had occasionally attended services two months earlier.

About 30 abortion rights supporters lined a sidewalk outside the church Sunday, each holding a white carnation and one with a sign declaring Tiller, his family and his staff as "civil rights heroes." Many wore green or blue T-shirts commemorating Tiller's life, with the National Organization for Women's logo.

College Hill's current pastor, the Rev. John Martin, said that "the grief is intensified" because Tiller was killed in a house of worship.

"We all know that shootings happen in church, I am always disconcerted when they do," Martin said. "Suddenly, it really struck home."

Most anti-abortion groups avoided the funeral, having denounced Tiller's shooting. But 17 demonstrators showed up from Westboro Baptist Church, known for picketing soldiers' funerals to present its message that their deaths are God's punishment for Americans' tolerance of homosexuality.

They held signs such as "God sent the shooter" and "Abortion is bloody murder."

Police kept them about 500 feet away from the church, mostly out of sight of people arriving for the funeral, although their shouts and singing could be heard from blocks away.

The Westboro Baptist demonstration drew about a dozen counter-demonstrators, and the two groups shouted insults at each other before the service and tried to drown each other out with singing.

"This has nothing to do with abortion," said Mark Voyles, an Army veteran from Derby who said he was upset about Westboro Baptist's attacks on soldiers.

The service also drew 50 motorcyclists from the American Legion Riders, who honored Tiller's service in the Navy. Their leader, Cregg Hansen, also from Derby, said Tiller's family asked them to be there.

"We don't get involved in politics," Hansen said. "We're here 120 percent for the veterans."
 
catman
I despise the Westboro Baptist Church morons.
"If I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas." - General Sheridan
 
Hypatia
Bob - where is the article you posted? I haven't been able to find it.

I know there are (were) three late term abortion clinics in the US, Dr. Tiller's clinic having been one of them. Does anyone know if these late term abortions are legal? To my knowledge they are, but I have seen some discussion elsewhere that they aren't.

An article about the accused murderer of Dr. Tiller warning there are other planned acts of violence against those who perform abortions. He's not so smart as he thinks he is telling this, as I think it goes without saying that we know these acts will happen, even if not carried out by anyone associated with or known by this man or anyone associated with him.

http://news.yahoo...n_shooting

 
Skeeve
Scott Roeder files petition claiming that his rights have been violated

The man who killed Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller has filed a petition complaining that his rights have been violated and asking to be released from custody.

Scott Roeder, 52, of Kansas City, criticized the judge, the jail, prosecutors and his lawyers in a habeas corpus petition that he filed in Sedgwick County, Kan. A hearing is scheduled for June 4. Such a petition requires a judge to determine whether a person has been imprisoned lawfully and whether he should be freed.

Roeder was convicted of first-degree murder in January and sentenced April 1 to life in prison with no chance of parole for 50 years. That case is under appeal.


Read more: http://www.kansas...z0lsqOR9PJ
"The world is my country, and do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine
 
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